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[Andy72]

i know what it is "intended" to be, Hills..
but i try to be very realist on this point..

at the end, i think that it means veyr little nowadays the nobel prize, as many others world recognition for people fighting human right's battles..
and i see this as a sad development of life..

please, don' think i am a naive little girl (any reference to Rae is.. ok, she is also cute!  )..
but i have been around a bit to see that the nobel prize will make mess for a couple of weeks.. and then nobody will talk about that anymore..

btw, except for us discussing about it now, the newspapers i read (italian and english) do not mention much anymore..

am i wrong?

have a nice day!
andy

PS mike, thx i did not noticed!!!

[Andy72]

..forgot to mention that i really look forward to the day that a nobel in ECONOMY will be awarded to china!

seriously!
i hope that will come before china will smash eurpean economy completely..

[rgeczi]

Peace:  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peace

This doesn't include "economic peace", as that doesn't really exist.  As the definition states, it's about state of mind or state of being.  Peace usually is referred to as absence of war, so Hills, I am not sure why you tied in China's economic growth to this word, peace.  Peace also is closely related to freedom, and in China, there is a certain amount of suppression going on, so this automatically would eliminate China from any chance of receiving this "peace" prize.

BTW, I also agree that Obama's award might not have been merited.  It's a toss up to some.

[Andy72]

ops, sorry, i might have been misunderstood..
but i was taking up the comment from Hills about the Chinese economical growth and international market impact, referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Economics - Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences

and just for discussion, i wonder what Hills thought when the prize was assigned to Arafat, Al Gore, Gorbacev (just an year after Dalai Lama.. but at that time no Hefei Expat forum.. )

i would like to add that Norwegians have still a quite naive and "innocent" and out-of-the-world idea of being completely neutral in the world politics, and very often to be super partes in their decisions. and to be also on the right side! (that's why innocent is between "")
i lived in Norway 15 years! i am quite competent about this argument, not from what i have heard, but from one third of my life experience as an adult..
with this i mean that you could put the political facts in front of the committee face and have them pass a lie detector swearing they did not made their choice from a political ponit of view..

but we both know that is is slightly different

andy

[Hills]

Example sentences of the word peace as from the suggested site http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peace

"Insurance can provide you with peace of mind."

"After years of therapy, he has finally achieved an inner peace."

True enough Peace is a state of mind but that shouldn’t be mistaken for the absence of war or social chaos. From the above two sentences,can we conclude that the economy is the biggest insurance of peace????The state of one's stomach greatly influences his decisions and actions.The policy of Economocracy is the one ideal to which the layouts of global peace is based upon.No need mentioning to you that the most devastated and warlike regions in the world are amognst the highest poverty stricken countries

What are usually the main demands of an upset group???
-We need this ,our people want that...isn't it.
-We want our voices to be heard so OUR PROPLE CAN EAT .

I m in no way justifying china's civil liberty system but just saying.. truly some things are bigger than others and the nobel committee should be smart about that. Even the common man can guess better,I don’t think the award had a  peace banner  behind its agenda. .

China has and its playing a great role,all jokes aside. Of course it got its flaws...but Man ,lets not even start a reflection on democratic norms and its woes.

shalom

[Aussie Mike]

My father told me when I was a lad that;
"True communism is a fair world to live in but human greed will always prevent true communism from working."

Greed seems to be the governing factor in evey country, culture and society.

As I always say "People are people they are influenced by culture, experience and knowledge."

I'll look at the issues with linking some aid care organisations from this site.

[Andy72]

driven by my usual pessimistic view..
i'd like to add to what Mike said..

..people are people.. often influenced by money......

sad but true...

[rae]

that is a hell lot for me to read here at one time. in 1989, the DaLai in tibet awarded Nobel  peace prize, i dont care about what the  chinese gov think of Dalai, but the Dalai r really a viloent nation, they may standing out for their rights, but they cant just ignore and risk other ppl's life. im fighting for my rights all my life, u do as well, plus we dont hurt any others safty, so do we own the peace prize?
they may helped  the students to stand up for the freedom revolution indirectly, but with those violence, they dont deserve the prize. yet  from the Norway nobel Org: Dalai's peace prize is a punishment to beijing gov, because they killed the revolution which is for the real freedom. to this point, i agree with hills that Nobel Prize is very political.  And china dose take it as a serious political stuff, now its not hard for u to read this" Dalai and LIU Xiaobo r two politic trophies of western contries" in a chinese media.
it was such  a coincidence that suprised me: liu xiaobo was the one helped lots of students out of death in that revolution,  i didnt know this, and i regret that im not a news fan and said this prize is insulting,  i take it back.  t
he bad side of the free human right that he is calling for is just too much for him to suffer, its not that we dont know about real freedom, its likely we still havent realise that we have to fight for the rights, most of us r only satisfied by what we have now, everythingelse is not our business any more. i have a QQ friend wrote"this Nobe peacel prize is a rat shit among all of the nobel prizes", seems every thing happened in china is at least half covered up , this makes me think a lot about the traditional dynasties, they kill ppl who announce total freedom and burn the books just to control their ppl through spirit. internet cenorship is to kill  the way to the outside  china world then.  I dont feel good about what i think now. to a degree, now i hope that to be not informed can solve the problem, too sad it wont. its such a big price to pay, there is no such thing called freedom  and real liberty all around the world, and sadly those two have becom a weapon for all the countries to attack and pick on each other. i guess if u want be real free, u have to stay away from politics, only be the king of ur own land. Those ppl who stands for human rights maybe only can be accepted when the country is in a hard time. i feel sorry .

[rgeczi]

The one good thing that has come from this message thread is discussion about the Nobel peace prize, and just people's general thoughts about it.  This is good.  So, why does China discourage people from open discussion about things, by censorship?  Again, it's all about control, and they are afraid to lose power.  Simple as that.  I also agree the Nobel prize is political, heck, everything is political.  North Korea uses it, Iran uses it, and so on.  As long as their is media, "playing the political" card will always be there.

So, in my mind, the true point that troubles me is China's reluctance to debate about issues, and this Nobel prize kind of topped it off for me.  As I read somewhere in an article, China is missing a huge chance with this Nobel prize, to change for the better, to really open up discussion and thoughts, not just "feed" people information with all the darn channels the same come news time.  Ever notice that?  All the channels, around 6:00pm or so, ALL showing the news, in unison.  THAT is where my beef probably lies, not with this Nobel prize, or what the prize stands for.

[Aussie Mike]

China Assails Nobel Peace Prize as ‘Card’ of West
By MICHAEL WINES
Published: November 5, 2010

BEIJING — Accelerating its assault on the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the Chinese dissident, China denounced the prize on Friday as a political tool of the West, and an official warned that countries acknowledging the honor would “bear the consequences.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/06/world/asia/06nobel.html?src=mv&ref=world

[Aussie Mike]

Suu Kyi appeals for unity in Burma
By Hla Hla Htay, AAP November 14, 2010, 11:02 pm
Yahoo.com news

Burma s pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi aims to rally supporters on her first day of freedom.

Democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi has reached out to Burma's splintered opposition forces, calling on thousands of exuberant supporters to unite following her release from house arrest.

"Please keep your energy for us. If we work together we will reach our goal," she told a sea of followers outside her party headquarters on Sunday, suggesting years of isolation have not weakened her defiant stance against military rule.

"I want to work with all democratic forces," said the 65-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner, who has been locked up by Burma's ruling generals for 15 of the past 21 years.

"I believe in human rights and I believe in the rule of law," she added.

Full story here

[ebby]

To the best of my understanding this Nobel peace prize thing, there has never before been such a furious anti-Nobel campaign, to the extent of sendiing a strong threatening letter to countires, ambassadors, diplomats in row not to attend the ceremony. It's really amazing what the world is turning into.This Nobel award isn't the first kind to be awarded to people like Liu. From history recipients of the honour have been absent in the past. 1. The most recent was the Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who was released from house arrest last week. When she was named the Nobel laureate in 1991, her son Alexander Aris gave the acceptance speech on her behalf.

2.During the Cold War the Polish labour leader Lech Walesa was not allowed out to collect the honour, but his wife was permitted to travel to Oslo to accept it on behalf of her husband in 1983.

3.When the Russian physicist Andrei D Sakharov won it in 1975 the Soviet authorities gave permission for his wife, too, to collect the prize.

4.Even in 1936, when the winner, Count Carl von Ossietzky, a German journalist who had been held in Nazi concentration camps, was refused a passport to travel to Oslo, the prize money, if not the award itself, was collected by his lawyer – who was later jailed for embezzling it.   Well, just like 'Rae' said if u really want freedom, u have to stay away from politics.

[Andy72]

Chinese answer to Oslo..
I wonder if you have heard of this:

Confucius Peace Prize
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Peace_Prize



a good friend told me about that, when mostly of my Chinese friends have never heard of it... like the guy that got the prize!!!

let's take it with a smile!