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The World => News and Opinion => Topic started by: Hills on March 23, 2011, 08:24:23 am
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A question of legitimacy or superiority?Neo-colonialism,worst than annexation arena cos this time they came in with missiles and nuclear ammunition to neutralize or better,if possible, eliminate the African Man.
Over looked the Ivory Coast,Sudan inhumane transgressions but quickly moved into Libya...YEAH RIGHT...go save the Libyans,the oil guys
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In this case I do believe it is to be seen as a humanitarian issue. ???
The UN in particular emphasises "The protection of civilians".
Gadaffi has been a problem for the nation for more than 40 years.
The humanitarian issues are global issues, the politics however should always be an internal issue for the people.
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Humanitarian issues with specific targets u mean..How can you explain the stay and watch move on Ivory Coast compared to the quick military assault on libya..How different are those two peoples,well ONE HAS GOT OIL.The UN continues to blow its cover..Sooner or later,it will be the architect of its own demise .
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Yeah Kaibo,the report is explicit and backed up with facts.Like you said,the judgment depends on our individual alienations and doctrines.We get too passive on real issues but pop up when porn comes up,so lady gaga can be queen. ;)
Well who got the oil,got the power,Humanity is a dead father
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It's not 'who's got the oil' rather, 'who's got control of the oil'.
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Thus the guy WHO GOT THE OIL is just the whore
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Libya "humanitarian" I-F-UK-USA intervention [it is a real unwanted casualty that the spelling of the nation initials look disturbingly like i want to do something really bad to USA.... ;D ] looks very much like the Kuwait and it is one of the problem they have now to find who is actually leading this "coalition".. NATO or UN??
Apart from this, I want to add that until now the only 2 countries receiving people running from Libya are Malta and Italy.. and apart from the Italian interest (gas/oil) and the Italian f**ked up presidency (Berlusconi), the other main reason that Italy took time to support the UE voice against Gheddafi was we knew the influx of people from that area would hit mainly our country and Europe would not support us in any way!
So I agree actually with Hills: nobody intervened in SUDAN in the past 30-40 years.. and that's probably one of the most desperate reality in the world.. but.. no oil there..
if the intervention was humanitarian, why i do not read anyway offers from F-UK-USA to take some of the humanitarian weight of desperation that is stranding daily on Italian coasts? In Lampedusa we have more Libyan people (and Egyptian saying they are from Lybia and more) than Italian resident! Why NATO/UN/UE is doing nothing about this?
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The so called International coalition should ve known better.They re in a course without a mission.Oust Ghadaffi or deter his strikes against civil rebels???These two to the best of my knowledge are just different sides of same coin..Now the UN is stressing like Mike said The protection of civilians but let the devil Ghaddafi Live On,what sense does that make,its a frustrated angle,
NATO or UN state your mission clearly,two wrongs don't make a right
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i think they are all underestimating Ghaddafi..
we, Italians in general, know that he is CRAZY!
i will always remember my first and only visit to Florence in high school, where one evening we were all in the hotel lobby watching the news of the 2 scud rockets that just exploded on Lampedusa beach.. a show of that crazy monkey of so-called leader for impress and scare europe/italy.. letting us know he can reach at least our island..
easy for USA-UK-F to start a war, without any plan for refugee and very little tangible risks..
UN and NATO now they are doing the opposite game: they do NOT want the leadership in this f**ked up mission.. let's see who will be more "smart" letting the other getting the "honor"..
and today 400 more arrived in Lampedusa..
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miss you too man..
we must meet and i love the Brave new world Huxley's visionary book..
great post by the way!
let me know when you go out.. i promise to come up north to the city from my farmland and meet u for a couple of beers.. or more!!
;D
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On the waiting List For Libya
The current chaos in Libya may end up in different ways;
I) Colonel Muammar Gaddafi may end up sharing power with the rebels
ii) Libya may as well end up being a divided country into a rebel held and government controlled areas
iii) The country may be engaged in a long civil war as is the case in Somalia
iv) Some forces may come up with the suggestion that the country be divided as some people futilely suggested for Cote D Ivoire.
v) The government of Gaddafi may end up capitulating or being topple as the current government of Cote D’Ivoire after bogus elections in which the UN condones fraud just as they did in Afghanistan.
Lets watch
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Hills,
(I) is not acceptable! US and the "coalition" will never allow that.. hopefully.. that man is crazy!
and the others are quite dark forecasts..
i still believe and hope the colonel will find his way to some other country (Ethiopa offered hospitality).. and Libya will ont end up as.. Afghanistan or Iraq after american occupation..
let's see..
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Well ,True the colonel is losing grounds and grip on power as his ministers continue to defect from his regime but also the rebels without any ground support are retreating from their captured cities
Without any ground military intervention by NATO,we re in for the start of a new Afghanistan. But putting in ground military intervention or arming the rebels, is a big debate cos it will set a new precedence for future UN intervention on civil conflicts to which the UN doesn’t have that mandate. The sovereignty of member states, is paramount.
So Andy,it's a tough and an unpredictable situation. Lets just keep eyes peeled as the scenes unfold
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Hills,
in truth i think the 2 extreme scenarios (hopefully, but how extreme? maybe not too much) are Afghanistan and Somalia, as you also mentioned the latter..
Libya has known more richness than Somalia in the close past years, so i really wonder how the population will accept or deal with the instability that will derive as soon as the colonel disappears.
cross the fingers for Libya..
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Hey Andy,Have you been following the recent turn overs in the libyan crisis???Seems to me like solution II[ which u ruled out]in one of my posts is becoming evident.
ii) Libya may as well end up being a divided country into a rebel held and government controlled areas
-To start with ,the Coalition force is stressing that its mission is to protect civilians and Not to arm or support the rebels. This inline with and coupled to the US withdrawal in the coalition frontline leaves the rebels a choice of limited bargain.
-The UN and its coalition members are beyond all doubts shivering in their choices, Legitimacy issues ,the UN doesn’t have that mandate,colonialism is history,diplomatic terrorism is its replacement. The UN has recognize that but seems too late for public appologies,so the best case scenario is to forget the REBELS,PROTECT civilians.. Ghaddafi watches ...what a blow to international diplomacy it will be if the Colonel lives On and the coalition moves out into other oil rich states for recapture
-The rebels are losing grounds of their strong holds, thus creating a positive comeback for the colonel
-The African Union has drawn up a road map for Libya's democratic revolution which I don't think excludes the Ghadaffi family. This road map which calls for a cease fire and open dialogue has been welcomed by Ghadafi and if accepted by the rebels will definitely close the door for all terror acts against the Libyan people
Seems to me like Libya is about to witness a coalition government with devided interest.
As I write on,I realise how funny this whole issue is,question marks everywhere
Who are these Rebels??How best do they represnt the interest of the the Libyan people???
How much does the UN know about this rebel Group?????
Is the UN now backing and supporting rebellion forces????
Ghaddafi may be the devil but sometimes the Devil you know might be better than the angel you don't know
Damn,what a mess
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israel.. it's time they pay politically (not in lives) for all the sh*t they have been doing supported by the americans!!
no respect for who kills in name of religions, god or anything..
but israel has got impunity for the crimes against humanity only thanks to american cover..
for Hills:
sorry, but i still believe in my position!
Gheddafi has been pushed out.. as i said!
for Kaibo:
no, they are not having fun yet.. the fun start when they get the full power, like in Somalia..
maybe they will have fun, but now it is still fight for an ideal.. good or bad (several of the Africans called up to Libya by the colonel in the recent years have been killed or raped or both by the revolutionary army.. discrimination, strong one, among them..)
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Hey Andy,
Have you been following the current issues on the ground in Libya or just rehearsing broadcasted lines.This is not the first time we have seen a hypocritical manipulation of a nation's people.Turning citizens against one another..It happened in Iraq,sudan just to mention a few.
If thats what you are referring to,then true,Ghaddafi (the person) has been push out but leaving a furious thread behind.Another Afghanistan has been built. Well it started with annexation then colonialism,later neo-colonialism and Now direct military interventions.
NATO has succeeded again in its conspiracy theories,this time with Libya.
Now let me debrief you on some of the ongoing issues with respect to Libya:
The UN is debating on a peace keeping mission in Libya
The UN fears its mandate to outs Ghaddafi and his supporters need an indefinite extension
The AU and some South American countries have refused to recognized the NTC
Ghaddafi is already beyond Libya borders
Now you tell me,if I was wrong or NATO
SHALOM
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I believe we should all live by modified International law. Individual Country Laws should be based on them. We are but one world.
With 6 boys in my family, our mum always used "Divide and Conquer" policy.
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LAWS be they international,regional or whatsoever,are often manipulated to better serve the whims and caprices of the strong.Humanity has failed in its efforts to demarcate between Legislators and regulators.Here is the scenario.I have the gun,I call the shots..if you can't understand..maybe your mother being held at gun point can give you a call.
Again, I hold to my beliefs..legitimacy is the sole legislator of a nation.Legality is nothing but a rap..smart lawyers twisting the shit left and right,even a definition of the word LAW is far fetch.
Here is my definition of the term legality.
The ability to coerce and attain desires with or without guns,provided the coercer is answerable to the UN/NATO/NWO or whoever is king at that time.
Shalom
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good one mate!!!An all in one definition.Guess not even wikepedia could ve done better.Teach by examples so I was taught,Our world follows that path,its doomed and we all mourn till our final demise
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Laws should be "Not to hinder the individual but to benefit the community"
If you do not want to follow community law then don't live in the community.
There are no laws when you are alone.
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Yeah Mike,Laws are meant not to hinder individual growth,thats a conceptual dimension,the preached version,the ideologies mentioned.But what happens when these supposed laws are twisted towards certain interests and the escape goats get surrounded by wolfs in their own communities,Isnt it better if they were left alone in the wild?
Anyway maybe you are right,Its all just a food chain.The wolf has got to eat
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..and he fell...
NOW, let's see what will happen..
but as i said at the very beginning (and for once reality agreed with me): there can't be a new Libya with Gheddafi..
for the sh*t he did, I can't avoid feeling better since yesterday news got here..
now starts the difficult phase..
good luck Libya!
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I Don't Care.
The Human mind is hallow
Their thoughts are shallow
Generations follow and get swallowed
Perhaps aliens can bring us an answer
From Ivorycoast to congo,sudan to libya,syria to yemen,Its the World's worst rap ever
Faggots and maggots with guns,shooting at the innocents.Still the whole world dances to the record.
Humans
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But does all this chaos make you appreciate where you are now?
It makes me appreciate where I was born and all the places I've lived.
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Nah Mike,
Its never a question of Where.Security is a personal issue.People still get slaughtered with swords and stuffs over here.Not to mention when mother earth goes crazy and starts digging massive graves.
I do cherish where I am,where I was born and where ever is peaceful.But that's not the issue ,Is it?If so why then is NATO and its allies not comfortable with where they are and will always be.
shalom