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[Hills]

A question of legitimacy or superiority?Neo-colonialism,worst than annexation arena cos this time they  came in with missiles and nuclear ammunition to neutralize or better,if possible, eliminate the African Man.
Over looked the Ivory Coast,Sudan inhumane transgressions but quickly moved into Libya...YEAH RIGHT...go save the Libyans,the oil guys

[Aussie Mike]

In this case I do believe it is to be seen as a humanitarian issue. 
The UN in particular emphasises "The protection of civilians".

Gadaffi has been a problem for the nation for more than 40 years.

The humanitarian issues are global issues, the politics however should always be an internal issue for the people.

[Hills]

Humanitarian issues with specific targets u mean..How can you explain the stay and watch move on Ivory Coast compared to the quick military assault on libya..How different are those two peoples,well ONE HAS GOT OIL.The UN continues to blow its cover..Sooner or later,it will be the architect of its own demise .

[Hills]

Yeah Kaibo,the report is explicit and backed up with facts.Like you said,the judgment depends on our individual alienations and doctrines.We get too passive on real issues but pop up when porn comes up,so lady gaga can be queen.
Well who got the oil,got the power,Humanity is a dead father

[Aussie Mike]

It's not 'who's got the oil' rather, 'who's got control of the oil'.

[Hills]

Thus the guy WHO GOT THE OIL is just the whore

[Andy72]

Libya "humanitarian" I-F-UK-USA intervention [it is a real unwanted casualty that the spelling of the nation initials look disturbingly like i want to do something really bad to USA....  ] looks very much like the Kuwait and it is one of the problem they have now to find who is actually leading this "coalition".. NATO or UN??

Apart from this, I want to add that until now the only 2 countries receiving people running from Libya are Malta and Italy.. and apart from the Italian interest (gas/oil) and the Italian f**ked up presidency (Berlusconi), the other main reason that Italy took time to support the UE voice against Gheddafi was we knew the influx of people from that area would hit mainly our country and Europe would not support us in any way!

So I agree actually with Hills: nobody intervened in SUDAN in the past 30-40 years.. and that's probably one of the most desperate reality in the world.. but.. no oil there..

if the intervention was humanitarian, why i do not read anyway offers from F-UK-USA to take some of the humanitarian weight of desperation that is stranding daily on Italian coasts? In Lampedusa we have more Libyan people (and Egyptian saying they are from Lybia and more) than Italian resident! Why NATO/UN/UE is doing nothing about this?

[Hills]

The so called International coalition should ve known better.They re in a course without a mission.Oust Ghadaffi or deter his strikes against civil rebels???These two to the best of my knowledge are just different sides of same coin..Now the UN is stressing like Mike said The protection of civilians but let the devil Ghaddafi Live On,what sense does that make,its a frustrated angle,

NATO or UN state your mission clearly,two wrongs don't make a right

[Andy72]

i think they are all underestimating Ghaddafi..

we, Italians in general, know that he is CRAZY!
i will always remember my first and only visit to Florence in high school, where one evening we were all in the hotel lobby watching the news of the 2 scud rockets that just exploded on Lampedusa beach.. a show of that crazy monkey of so-called leader for impress and scare europe/italy.. letting us know he can reach at least our island..

easy for USA-UK-F to start a war, without any plan for refugee and very little tangible risks..

UN and NATO now they are doing the opposite game: they do NOT want the leadership in this f**ked up mission.. let's see who will be more "smart" letting the other getting the "honor"..

and today 400 more arrived in Lampedusa..

[Andy72]

miss you too man..

we must meet and i love the Brave new world Huxley's visionary book..

great post by the way!

let me know when you go out.. i promise to come up north to the city from my farmland and meet u for a couple of beers.. or more!!
 

[Hills]

On the waiting List For Libya

 The current chaos in Libya may end up in different ways;

I) Colonel Muammar Gaddafi may end up sharing power with the rebels

 ii) Libya may as well end up being a divided country into a rebel held and government controlled areas

iii) The country may be engaged in a long civil war as is the case in Somalia

iv) Some forces may come up with the suggestion that the country be divided as some people futilely suggested for Cote D Ivoire.

v) The government of Gaddafi may end up capitulating or being topple as the current government of Cote D’Ivoire after bogus elections in which the UN condones fraud just as they did in Afghanistan.

Lets watch

[Andy72]

Hills,

(I) is not acceptable! US and the "coalition" will never allow that.. hopefully.. that man is crazy!

and the others are quite dark forecasts..

 i still believe and hope the colonel will find his way to some other country (Ethiopa offered hospitality).. and Libya will ont end up as.. Afghanistan or Iraq after american occupation..

let's see..

[Hills]

Well ,True the colonel is losing grounds and grip on power as his ministers continue to defect from his regime but also the rebels without any ground support are retreating from their captured cities
Without any ground military intervention by NATO,we re in for the start of a new Afghanistan. But putting in ground military intervention or arming the rebels, is a big debate cos it will set a new precedence for future UN intervention on civil conflicts to which the UN doesn’t have that mandate. The sovereignty of member states, is paramount.

So Andy,it's a tough and an unpredictable situation. Lets just keep eyes  peeled as the scenes unfold

[Andy72]

Hills,

in truth i think the 2 extreme scenarios (hopefully, but how extreme? maybe not too much) are Afghanistan and Somalia, as you also mentioned the latter..

Libya has known more richness than Somalia in the close past years, so i really wonder how the population will accept or deal with the instability that will derive as soon as the colonel disappears.

cross the fingers for Libya..

[Hills]

Hey Andy,Have you been following the recent turn overs in the libyan crisis???Seems to me like solution II[ which u ruled out]in one of my posts  is becoming evident.

ii) Libya may as well end up being a divided country into a rebel held and government controlled areas

-To start with ,the Coalition force is stressing that its mission is to protect civilians and Not to arm or support the rebels. This  inline with and coupled to the US  withdrawal in the coalition frontline leaves the rebels a choice of limited bargain.
-The UN and its coalition members are beyond all doubts shivering in their choices, Legitimacy issues ,the UN doesn’t have that mandate,colonialism is history,diplomatic terrorism is its replacement. The UN has recognize that but seems too late for  public  appologies,so the best case scenario is to forget the REBELS,PROTECT civilians.. Ghaddafi watches ...what a blow to international diplomacy it will be if the Colonel lives On and the coalition moves out into other oil rich states for recapture
-The rebels are losing grounds of their strong holds, thus creating a positive comeback for the colonel
-The African Union has drawn up a road map for Libya's democratic revolution which I don't think excludes the Ghadaffi family. This road map which calls for a cease fire and open dialogue has been welcomed by Ghadafi and if accepted by the rebels will definitely close the door for all terror acts against the Libyan people

Seems to me like Libya is about to witness a coalition government with devided interest.

As I write on,I realise how funny this whole issue is,question marks everywhere


Who are these Rebels??How best do they represnt the interest of the the Libyan people???
How much does the UN know about this rebel Group??
Is the UN now backing and supporting rebellion forces?

Ghaddafi may be the devil but sometimes the Devil you know might be better than the angel you don't know

Damn,what a mess